One Act Plays this year are taking place from April 24-27th @ 8:00pm in the Dew Drop
Kill Musical & Dramatic Society are pleased to officially announce that their One Act Plays this year are taking place from April 24-27th @ 8:00pm in the Dew Drop Gastropub, Kill. The event is a fun-filled evening where acts from the local society perform a set of one-act comedies and dramas.
The line up includes:
Wedding Night Blues written by Jimmy Keary – Directed by Ciaran O’Shea
All By Myself written by Robert Scott – Directed by David Dunne
Maggie’s Dilemma written by George Peever – Directed by Laura Sheehan
Naked written by Morrley Shulman – Directed by Niall McDonald
On Sunday last a meeting of the labourers of the district
was held at Kill, for the purpose of securing the benefits of the Act recently
passed. The proceedings were enlivened by the Ardclough band, which played a
choice selection of music at intervals. There was a large attendance of local
farmers, and when the proceedings commenced, the substantial platform, which
had been erected in a field close to the town, was well filled. Amongst those
present were – Very Rev. Dr. Gowing P.P.; Rev. G.P. Gowing, C.C; Dr. Patrick J.
McEvoy, Dr. Coady, Mr. A. Ritchie, Mr. L. Malone, Mr. D. Kearney, Mr. M.
Kearney, Mr. Howe, Mr. Barry, Mr. T. Fitzpatrick, Mr. Monahan, Mr. Cummins, Mr.
Palmer, Mr. J. Coady, Mr. Walsh, J.P.; Mr. J. Short, Mr. R. Turner, Mr. P.
Traynor, Mr. R. Ledwich, Mr. T. Broughall.
On the motion of Mr. Ritchie, seconded by Mr. T. Fitzpatrick, the chair was
taken by Very Rev. Dr. Gowing, P.P.
The chairman said as he had been moved to that position he would read for them
some of the correspondence he had received as follows: –
“Narraghmore, Athy, 20th Sept., 1883.
“My Dear Dr. Gowing, – In reply to your invitation for
Sunday next, I regret extremely it will be wholly out of my power to be with
you on that day. I am nevertheless glad to see you moving on behalf of the
working class, and trust to hear of your meeting as an entirely successful one.
The labourers stood everywhere loyally by the farmers in the late land
agitation. The farmers are therefore now bound in common gratitude to return
the compliment. Add to this that it is the interest as well as the duty of the
farmers, and others in comfortable and independents positions, to now come
forward and do all they can to elevate their poorer fellow men and fellow
Christians in the social scale (Hear, hear.). No man has more to do with the
working men of Kildare than I ever had, and no man can speak with great
experience of their honesty, civility and intelligence than I can. (Hear,
hear.) These qualities I have always found in the character of the labouring
class to a degree which has always appeared to me to be surprising considering
the treatment its members have had to submit to. It now therefore gives me the
greatest pleasure to see light breaking on the working man and his following. A
comfortable, an airy, and a well lighted dwelling will be a fitting first step in
the improvement of his position. (Hear, hear.)The bit of land attached to his
residence will be a means of teaching his children habits of care and industry,
while the produce carefully cultivated and harvested, will supply his family
with many comfort, and be moreover to him and them, a stock to drain from at
intervals of chance or unavoidable disemployment. Secure in his home, the Irish
labourer will gradually feel a new life within him. He will gain in manliness
and independence. He will realise that he is at least a citizen and no longer a
serf. (Hear, hear.) Self respect will follow, and for this offspring he will
long for that education he never had the opportunity of acquiring for himself.
The great gains to society by the elevation of the labourer will be a lessened
pauperism, and a decrease of crime. Labour is the only source of a nation’s
prosperity – (Hear, hear.) – and wealth. Until this is fully recognised in
Ireland the resources of the country will never be developed as they ought.
(Hear, hear.) The Labourers’ Act is a beginning in this direction. May the
policy be yet further improved upon is the sincere wish and hope of yours
faithfully and truly,
“Sept. 21st 1883
“Rev. Dear Sir-In reply to your kind letter of the 19th
inst.. I hasten to say that I am truly obliged for your invitation to attend
the meeting at Kill on behalf of the labourers. Nothing would give me greater
satisfaction than to be able to be with you all for the promotion of this most
desirable object. But my other engagement will, I regret, not admit of it.
Perhaps at some future time I may have the pleasure of giving my humble
cooperation. Rest assured of my sympathy of this, I have endeavoured to give
practical proof in my own immediate neighbourhood, for nearly fifteen years ago
I spontaneously raised the pay of my workmen 33 per cent. and I have in the
interval spent several thousand pounds in wages. Here wishing you great success
– I am, Rev. dear sir, yours
“The Rev. Dr. Gowing, P.P”
Sept. 20th 1883.
“Dear Sir-I thank you for your kindness in sending me an invitation to attend
the meeting to be held at Kill next Sunday, for the purpose of taking into
consideration the claims of the labouring classes and the best mode of
improving their condition. I trust your meeting will be the precursor of many
such in Kildare and the adjoining counties, I will be with you in spirit.
Unfortunately, my strength is beginning to fail and I am quite incapable of
making long continued bodily exertion, besides I am fast losing both sight and
hearing, still what I can do in the cause of Ireland I will not willingly leave
undone. I can carefully consider our unhappy condition and give my advice. I
send you two copies of my last publications; perhaps you might find an
opportunity to call the attention of the meeting to it. Recommend the adoption
of Edenderry resolutions (page 24), the adoption by so influential a meeting as
yours promises to be would give them an importance they might not otherwise
possess, and place Kildare foremost in the present struggle for Irish
independence. With sincere respect, yours very truly.
(Loud cheers.) A letter was also read from Mr. Charles
Kelly, New York, in which he stated he had seen a report of the labourers
meeting at Kill copied into the Irish World from Kildare Observer. He stated
the money which had been subscribed there was given by the labourers, and it
was expected that portion of it would be spent on the Irish labourer. (Cheers.)
The Chairman said the observations he proposed to make must necessary be short. He would bring under the notice a few texts from the valuable pamphlet he had before him by Mr. Healy. He thought he properly expressed the sentiment of all there when he stated they had only one purpose in their presence at this meeting, and that to aid the cause of labourers. He would not be there that day if he did not believe in his heart he was there in the discharge of duty of charity as well as of patriotism. (Cheers.) He might tell them this was not a political meeting, but it is one in which the hearts of all persons could unite. He hoped to see all in the country combine for the benefit of the Irish labourers and for the good of their mother land. It was in that spirit he made a move two years ago. It was at that time they had a meeting in the school house to help the labourers. He did not then expect that Parliament would have passed a bill in favour of the labourer so soon, and it was now likely to prove a great blessing. He for one did not believe that justice had been done to the tenant-farmers by the Land Act, and justice would not be complete until the leaseholders were placed on the same footing as the other farmers, and the working of the act made more expeditions and more inexpensive. (Cheers.) At the first labourers meeting held in the county he asked the tenant-farmers to give a few things to the poor man-a better house, a piece of land, &c. He was sorry to say two years had passed away and nothing was done. Now Parliament had stopped to make them generous and patriotic.
They all knew this Act came into force on the 25th August last. That Act of Parliament was one of the messages of peace Mr. Gladstone had sent to Ireland, and they were indebted to him for it. They owed a lasting debt of gratitude to Mr. Gladstone for the great boon. (A voice – And Mr. T. P. O’Connor.) He hoped Mr. Gladstone’s name would go down to posterity with the gratitude and blessings of the Irish people, and that his cherished memory would find an abiding place in the hearts of posterity, along with the other illustrious philanthropists of the 19th century: a Howard, a Wilberforce, an O’Connell, a Grattan and a Parnell. Moreover, he hoped yet to see – and that time might not be far distant when Ireland will adequately express her reverence for the great man, who, in spite of opposition, did so much for her. He hoped yet to see a monument erected to him in Dublin, and he thought no fitter time could be chosen to erect the monument than when the Irish Parliament was opened to the Irish people in College Green. (Cheers.) He would be greatly disappointed if these two events did not simultaneously take place within a few years: the unveiling of the national monument to W.E. Gladstone, and the restoration of Ireland’s legislative independence. It was not his place to enter into any lengthened explanation of the Labourers’ Act. It was their business and the business of the farmers to take the initiative, and the working of the Act lay with the Board of Guardians. This was the first step they had seen made towards self-government. They found this Act of Parliament empowered the Boards of Guardians throughout the country to administer public funds and to take the management into their own hands. This was a point in the right direction [Doctor Gowing here explained the working of the Act. He stated it was necessary to get a form of representation signed by twelve ratepayers and sent to the board of guardians who then carried out the necessary steps and the responsibility further rested with them]. No one should lose time in taking the initiative step so as to precure the benefit of the Act. He had seen in the papers within the past few days that a charge of apathy had been brought against the Irish farmers. He was sorry to say he could not free them from the charge. There was certainly a marked indifference shown in this matter. He trusted the farmers would hold public meetings to secure for the labourers the benefits of the Act. It was a matter of charity to assist the poor and it was their duty to do so. The man who did not help the poor in their necessities had not charity, and therefore, had not the love of God. Is not the social and domestic condition of the Irish poor a disgrace and a scandal in Europe? It was some years ago since the Devon Commission was appointed to enquire into the condition of the labourer. They stated, as a reference of most of the witnesses will show, that the agricultural labourer of Ireland continues to suffer the greatest privations and hardships; that he continues to depend upon casual and precarious employment for subsistence. That he is badly housed, badly fed, badly clothed and badly paid for his labour. Our personal observations during our inquiry have offered us a melancholy confirmation of these statements, and we cannot forbear expressing our strong sense of the patient endurance which the labouring classes have generally exhibited under sufferings greater, we believe, than the people of any country in Europe have to sustain. Mr. Ruskin, a distinguished man, wrote as follows:- “The cabins in Ireland have been so frequently described that there is no necessity for telling the English public that in the villages I have named anything approaching the character of a bed is very rare. A heap of rags flung on some dirty straw or the four posts of what was once a bedstead, filled in with straw, which a blanket spread over it form the sleeping place. Everybody knows that one compartment serve in these seaside hovels for the entire family, including the pigs (if any), ducks, chickens, or geese.” (A voice – Right, your reverence.) Speaking on the same subject, the special correspondent of the Daily Telegraph said “the cabins of the peasantry seem to be about the very worst dwellings for human beings I had ever viewed. I noted that many of the cottages I passed boasted of no windows-that they all had mud floors and most of them mud alls-that many were insufficiently thatched-nearly all wore shared by the family pig as well as the family children – that in the majority of cases a very slough of mud faced the door – and that the utmost misery of appearance characterized every dwelling. I have been in many lands, and have seen many so-called oppressed people at home, but I declare that neither in the Russian Steppes, nor in the most neglected Bulgarian village, still less in the very poorest Hindoo hamlets have I ever seen such squalid kraals as the Irish poor inhabit. Here they are not hidden away from public view, but front the high road-a dreadful testimony to mismanagement and uncleanness as can be met with nowhere else. An officer of one of Her Majesty’s Regiments, who lately served with honour in Zululand, declared to met that not even in the worst parts of Cetewayo’s dominions, did he come across anything so bad, and I am inclined to believe that he was not exaggerating in the slightest.” How could a nation prosper under such circumstance? (A voice – No, no.) That was the condition of a crushed people. It was as true that day as the time before mentioned-it was true three years back-aye forty years back. Was a nation like Ireland to be ever degraded in this manner? – a nation of renown for a knowledge of the arts and sciences and light of the Gospel long before any of the great nations of Europe had yet approached the cradle of Christianity or of civilization. He would continue Cardinal Newman’s beautiful thoughts as they apply at present: “A noble and puissant nation rousing herself as a strong man after sleep and shaking her invincible looks as an eagle renews her mighty youth and kindling her undazzled eyes at the full mid-day beam purging and unscaling her long-abused sight at the fountain itself of heavenly radiance, while the whole noise of timorous and flocking birds, with those also who love the twilight flutter about amazed at what she means; and would it not be strange indeed that this old Catholic nation should not feel acutely the bitterness and wounds, the injustice and injuries inflicted on her through centuries –that she should not have been through the strength of her unsullied faith her best support in every ordeal and persecution, hopes and aspirations, commensurate with her past and her future avocation.” There was no doubt good would come from the Labourers Act if vigorously and earnestly worked. The labourers would excuse him if he exhorted them to sobriety, good conduct and self respect. If they were not true to themselves and if they did not reform their habits the remedy which was now sought to be applied for their welfare would be worse than the disease. Let them endeavour to realise the future that was before them and be faithful to the trust that was placed in their hands. Unless that was done, he for one did not expect much advance in the future. He knew the poverty of the labourer was attributable somewhat to his own shortcomings. He (chairman) had seen poverty and wretchedness worse than Mr. Ruskin or the correspondent of the Daily Telegraph had described. If they asked him the cause of all this he would tell them it was unfortunately too often drink. More squalid poverty had resulted from drink than from anything else. Therefore it behoved all persons to lead sober lives. He did not want them all to become teetotallers, but he wanted every man to live within his means. (Cheers)
Mr. Fitzpatrick – Rev. Chairman and fellow countrymen (A voice – More power, Mr. Fitzpatrick) – I have great pleasure in reading for your adoption this resolution: – “That all present pledge themselves to immediate and hearty co-operation to secure for our struggling and dependent fellow countrymen, the agricultural labourers, the fullest benefits of the Labourers’ Act within our respective electoral divisions.”
He said the working out of the Act in a great measure
depended on themselves. If they did not urge on farmers to assist them, the
farmers might be slow to move in it. (A voice – That is right.) The labourers
stood by the farmers during the last two or three years of the Land League. He
thought the farmers should come forward and work this Act for the benefit of
the labourers. The Act was in a great measure due to the extraordinary
exertions of Mr. T.P. O’Connor. He thought many of them had the pleasure of
hearing him at a Land League meeting at Allen. That was the man who brought
forward this Act, which was acknowledged to be the only measure of good for
Ireland. A plot of ground was to be attached to every house (A voice – They
will think very bad of giving it.) He hoped when they got it when they would be
contented with it. Some one in the crowd says the farmers will think badly of
giving the plot of ground. He must say the farmers in that district did not
benefit much by the Land Act, as they were nearly all leaseholders. He thought
the farmers were willing to conform with the Act, and he hoped they would adopt
it spiritedly and speedily. (Loud cheers.)
Mr. Carroll seconded the resolution which was passed.
Mr. Byrne proposed -“That an organizing and
corresponding committee (with power to add to their number) of the
following gentlemen, be now appointed to take speedy and effective steps to
carry out the preliminary conditions required to render operative in our midst
the Labourers’ Act-a measure which we regard as an augury of future peace,
contentment, and national prosperity, and highly calculated moreover to
alleviate the social and domestic privations of a necessary, deserving, and
long neglected class – Rev. Dr. Gowing. P.P; Rev. G.P. Gowing, Messrs. T.
Fitzpatrick, P.L.G., Laurence Malone and Archibald Ritchie.”
Mr. Malone seconded the resolution. Peter Purcell, labourer,
“That we, the labourers of the parish of Kill, express our sincere gratitude to
Mr. W.E. Gladstone and to the Irish party, in particular among the latter Mr.
T. P. O’Connor, for espousing our cause and so effectively helping to improve
our domestic and social condition; and we hereby promise to turn our newly
acquired advantages to the best account by the careful practice and example of
sobriety, industry, and faithful attention to our duties and to the business of
our respective employers.”
He said he felt pleasure, brother labourers and gentlemen (hear, hear) in
proposing the resolution. If they would look after their own interests the
farmers would do their duty. It was time to get some relief. They all knew in
what sort of hovels they lived, and wages, food, and clothing bad. He hoped
better times were in store for them.
Patrick Halligan, labourer, had great pleasure in seconding
the resolution. When they got the benefits of the labourers act they would have
peace and plenty.
Dr. McEvoy proposed -“That we work together without
sectarian differences for Ireland’s prosperity and peace as a united Ireland
with a sympathetic and intelligent spirit of justice and compassion for the
He said the labourers cottages should be vastly improved as
far as sanitary arrangements were concerned. Mr. Palmer seconded the resolution,
which was passed. A vote of thanks was proposed and seconded to the chairman.
The Chairman, in thanking them, said he did not feel he
deserved the vote of thanks. He was convinced he was only doing his duty to the
people. Whenever an opportunity arose which was suitable, he should not be
wanting in assisting the people. He knew no part of Ireland which presented so
desolate a spectacle as northern Kildare. He would give a few figures to show
how matters stood there. In 21 townlands they had 4,8882 acres. How many houses
did they think were on that extent of land? 62! And some of those were so
wretched that they ought not to be called houses. He was speaking to a man last
week who was living in a house with only one room, and seven children besides
himself and his wife had to reside there. That man told him also that he had to
walk 4 ½ miles to his work every day and the same distance back in the evening.
Not very far from where they stood he could show them a house with only one
room which had to accommodate twelve in family. This was a condition of things
too general, he was sorry to say. There were 334 people living on the 4,882
acres. He hoped everybody by and bye would have justice and fair play. (Hear,
hear). They should go home orderly and quietly and they would be pleased with
the business of the day, as they had done good work. (Loud and prolonged
cheering.) The meeting then separated.
A Kildare Observer report from 29 September 1883 on a large
labour meeting held at Kill
After seeing these beautiful images on
Facebook, I had to share them
Last weekend Kill Tidy Towns
volunteers, Paddy Walsh, Joe Egan, Liz McDonnell and Paddy Madden, were busy
planting new shrubs, heathers and trees at the roundabout as well as along the
Rowan Walk and Dara Way.
The Cherry Blossom trees beside the
church car park are looking their best in time for Easter in Kill.
Thank you all for the wonderful work
you are doing.
Camogie Team played their first home league game on Monday evening against
Broadford in difficult weather conditions.
against a very strong wind in the first half Kill managed to clock up 3 points
and with Broadford scoring 5 points they had all to play for in the second
out in the second half determined to use full advantage of the wind and within
minutes had levelled with Broadford and continued to pop over points to take
the lead. Kill’s dominance continued with some well taken goals when the
on the Kill Team played their hearts out and fully deserved the great win.
Fascinating article in the Leinster Leader 12 December 1925 on the compensation tribunal investigating the burning of Palmerstown House during the Irish Civil War. Lord Mayo’s testimony revealed a rather telling if unusual remark considering he knew the assailants, ‘It is only right to say, declared his lordship, that the raiders were excessively polite.’
spellings and grammar retained as in original e.g. standstone = sandstone; htose = those; withness = witness; witness aid = witness said
LORD MAYO’S VIVID DESCRIPTION.
At the Naas Circuit Court on Saturday before Judge Doyle K. C. the claim was heard of Senator The Right Hon. The Earl of Mayo for compensation for the burning of Palmerstown House on January 29th, 1923.
On the date in question it will be remembered a party of men
entered Palmerstown House and proceeded to sprinkle petrol on the
furniture. In a few minutes the entire building was in flames and was
completely gutted before any attempt at extinction could prove
effective. Lord May who with Lady Mayo were staying at Palmerstown House
at the time was, together with members of his staff, held up at the point of
the revolver while the work of destruction was carried out. In the course
of his evidence Lord Mayo paid a high tribute to the services of his groom and
members of the Free State Army on the occasion.
Mr. Phelps, K.C., and Mr. Meyers, B.L. (instructed by
Messrs. White and White) for applicant ; Mr. Lupton, K. C., and Mr. Sheehy,
B.L., (instructed by Mr. R. Brown, State solr.) for the State.
Counsel for the applicant having described in detail the
dimensions and architectural style of Palmerstown House as it existed before
the burning, said that an agreement had been reached with the State that the
amount of compensation for furniture be fixed at £15,000. If, he went on,
they were going to make a proper reconstruction it would be necessary to use
Rosenallis standstone and that would involve extra expense by reason of the
fact that they would have to go to the quarry where the stone was originally
got. What they aimed at was the restoration of a house worthy of the
occupants, and not more extravagant or better than the one which was destroyed. Mr.
Orpen had prepared plans of the necessary reconstruction and had submitted
these plans to Mr. Clayton and Mr. Clayton had submitted the bill of
quantities. Messrs. Harvey and McLoughlin had the quantities priced and
had duly forwarded an estimate for reconstruction and their actual figure was
£35,128 4s 6d. Over and above that, of course, there were other items
which would amount to about £3,000. There were, firstly, the architects’
fees of 5 per cent. and travelling expenses, fees of building and quantity
surveyors and clerk of works. There should also be added a sum of £300
which Lord Mayo had expended in removal of debris and which in the ordinary
course of events would go into the bill for reconstruction. The total
cost, therefore, of reconstruction would be £38,378 6s 2d.
Lord Mayo giving evidence said-I am the owner of Palmerstown
House. I have lived my life there since I became entitled to it. The
original building was finished in 1877. The house was lived in by my
mother before that in order to superintend the finishing of the
interior. I and my family have always used it as a residence and were
using it on January 29th as a residence.
Mr. Phelps: Is it your wish to have it reconstructed on the
lines I have explained to his Lordship?
Lord Mayo: Yes.
Mr. Phelps: Would you describe to the court exactly in your
own words what occurred about 10.20 on the night of the 29th January, 1923?
Lord Mayo: Two lads came to the front door and
knocked. The door was opened by my butler. One of them made a snatch
at his watch chain. The men were disguised. The butler shut the door
and came and reported to me that there were two men outside looking for
me. The postman arrived from Naas shortly afterwards and came to deliver
the letters at the back door. I guessed what was up and I ordered the back
door to be locked. That was not done. I then went upstairs for a
moment and when I came down the butler informed me that the two men had entered
the house and said they were going to burn it. As I had put out the light
I asked to have it re-lit so that I could see these two men. One of them
appeared to be disguised and I doubt if he were armed. The other man was
fully armed with a service rifle. He covered him and me while this
individual spoke to me. Lady Mayo then came out of the drawing room and
this man was who was covered by the armed man said, “Lord Mayo, I believe is a
Senator?” Her ladyship said, “Yes,” and then she went back to the
drawing-room. The man then said, “We have come to burn the house.” I
said, “Surely you would not burn this house full of beautiful things?” and he
said, “We have our orders, my lord.” I then said, “Are you going to shoot
me?” and he replied “No, my lord: we are not going to shoot you, but we have
our orders to burn the building.” “I suppose at all events you will give
me twenty minutes for the servants and ourselves to get some wearing apparel
while the house is burning?” He said he would. At the end of twenty
minutes the place was set on fire. I managed to save pictures that are
mentioned in the details of the contents, including three Sir Joshua’s, two
Titian’s and most of my hunting clothes. By that time the incendiaries had
entered the dining-room and saturated the thick carpet with petrol and the room
was in blazes in a moment. I went and opened the door of the dining-room
and I found it a flaming furnace. Nobody has any conception of the fumes
from that room-I shall never forget it. I didn’t get my throat right for
18 months afterwards. I shut the door and returned to the back
hall. There was not a soul there, all had gone outside. Then we were
ordered outside ourselves. We went to the garage where we were held up by
two raiders. One of the men had an automatic which had the catch down-I
asked him to put it up in case a shot would go off- the other had a
revolver. The house was then beginning to blaze.
I went into the house again and attempted with a hand-pump
to extinguish the fire in the hall but the raiders had done the job excessively
well, because not only did they use petrol but also htose little pastiles which
the Germans used during the war and which are impossible to put out with
anything whatsoever. It is only right to say, declared his lordship, that
the raiders were excessively polite.
By this time I thought it better to call some of my men
up. My groom accompanied me to my study which contained important private
papers as well as all the bills of the old house. Every scrap that was in the
room was saved by myself and my groom, and also with the help of four very fine
looking Free State soldiers who, when they saw the glare in the sky, motored as
hard as they could from Newbridge barracks. Things were so bad that I was
giving up hopes of saving a piece of furniture that was given to me as a
wedding present when my groom said he would fetch it. The soldiers knocked
the casement out of the window, which was a rather dangerous operation
considering that the rifles were loaded and some of them had the catches
down. I have been a soldier six years myself and I told them to put up the
catches. The casing was knocked out and eight minutes afterwards my groom
left the room having secured the article. A moment later the ceiling fell
in and the room was in flames. That is the whole story of what occurred
Replying to Counsel, withness said it was a very stormy and
wet night. A South-westerly gale was blowing. The old house was very
exposed, situated almost like a lighthouse on top of a hill. One could
imagine the extreme heat that came from it when the fire was at its height:
“That is all I have to say in the matter,” declared the witness.” I know
perfectly well who was engaged locally in burning my house.’
Mr. Phelps: Did you employ Mr. Orpen to come down? Yes.
He had been your guest before? Yes.
All the servants’ accommodation was contained
overhead? Yes. The house also contained rooms for my brothers and
sisters before I was married and before they went away into the world.
By taking away the old roof and substituting therefore a
flat roof you are depriving yourself of all this accommodation? Yes.
Richard Orpen deposed in reply to Counsel, that he knew
Palmerstown house very well. He prepared the plans for the new building,
and they were in every way satisfactory and economical. He took into consideration
the fact that they would be using the old walls. The red marks on his
plans indicated those walls that would have to be newly constructed. Most
damage had been sustained by windows, cornices and stonework. The interior
walls which were lined with brick, had not suffered as much. He had
provided for a reinforced concrete roof for the whole building and had
submitted detailed plans to the Quantity Surveyor.
Cross-examined: Witness said his plans provided for a
house of the most up-to-date character, embodying all the most recent
improvements in building. The house would be exactly on the lines of the
old building except for the roof. The concrete roof was based on the most
modern pattern, and its upkeep would be much less than the original one built in
Judge: I am always in doubt in these cases on one
point. Will the new building as planned be less valuable than the original
Witness said the building would be less valuable in so much
as it would contain less accommodation.
Judge: I cannot attach a full reinstatement condition
to a building less valuable than the original building.
Mr. J Clayton stated he had been acting as a Quantity
Surveyor in connection with a number of claims in Sackville St., on behalf of
the State. He had prepared the Bill of Quantities for the work of
reconstructing this house. His quantities were prepared in accordance with
the plans submitted. He had provided, inter alia, for the particular
limestone from Rosenallis. He had calculated that the extra cost of putting
up the old roof would be £8,500. That roof contained 13 bedrooms and had
suitable accommodation for guests.
Judge: Will the concrete roof set off against this
Continuing witness aid he got instruction from Messrs
Orpen to draw up the Bill of Quantities and he submitted them to Messrs. Harvey
Mr. Phelps: Can you form any opinion of the
prices? Yes, I am quite sure Messrs. McLoughlin and Harvey have priced
Cross-examined by Mr. Lupton: I expect you have no doubt the
new building is of a character suitable to the neighbourhood? Yes.
And the market value would be as good as the old
house? I don’t go into market values.
Do you think the new building will be less valuable than the
John Cleary deposed he was employed by the firm of Messrs,
Harvey and O’Loughlin. This Bill of Quantities drawn up by Mr. Clayton
came to him for pricing. He submitted that these prices were fair,
reasonable and proper and as far as he could estimate they were the current
prices put upon them by builders in his position. The total to complete
the house would be £35, 128.
Mr. Lupton, cross-examining: When you prepared the
plans you were not told they were on a competitive basis? They were not
prepared on a competitive basis, but they were prepared on the basis of current
Mr. Judd, Valuer, said he thought the old house was more
valuable than what the new would be.
For the state, Mr. John Good swore that he was instructed to
make an estimate for the building of Palmerstown House and received for that
purpose a copy of the Bill of Quantities with no prices. He was not aware
of the individual items on the tender of Messrs. Mcloughlin and
Harvey. Witness visited Palmerstown House on Friday and made an estimate
of the prices on the basis of the present day prices and was prepared to carry
out the building under Mr. Orpen’s directions on the basis of that
tender. His gross total which would include Architects’ Litographers,
Quantity Surveyors’ and Clerk of Works fees would be £39,902.
Mr. Frederick Hayes gave evidence that on behalf of the
Government he made an assessment as to what he thought the proper prices for
the reconstruction of the house would be. He made two assessments, his original
being £29,600, and subsequent one, £31,401. He said certain items in the
estimate of McLoughlin and Harvey’s were not contained in the original
Mr. T. Byrne said he was principal architect for the Board
of Works. He thought a 2 ½ per cent deduction from the Assessments made by
the Board of Works, was reasonable in the case of a new building because the
outlav with the upkeep and maintenance with the building as restored would be
less for a period of years than was the case before the reconstruction.
This concluded the evidence of value.
His Lordship said he would adjourn the further hearing of
the claim until Tuesday, when he would make his award.
Giving judgment on Tuesday, his Lordship said:-The
circumstances out of which this claim arises are briefly stated in the
declaration made by the applicant on 8th Mary, 1923, and were briefly detailed
in this court on Saturday last. The declaration runs as follows-“On
Monday, the 29th January, 1923, a number of armed persons surrounded the house
and premises, ordered out the inhabitants and maliciously set fire to the
building which was completely gutted and the contents destroyed. The
evidence shows that the reason assigned for this destruction by those who
carried it out was the fact that the applicant held the office of Senator in
the Constitution of the Irish Free State.
The claim naturally falls into two parts-(1) for the
buildings, and (2) for the contents.
The claim for the contents has been arranged between the
representatives of the State and of the applicant at the sum of £15,000 which
will form portion of this decree.
Before dealing with the figures of the claim arising out of
the destruction of the building, it is right to draw attention to the fact that
the applicant is not claiming as he might have claimed, the restoration of his
former house. He has limited his claims to the cost of the erection of a
substituted and much less expensive house. A house which will still be as
is plain from Mr. Orpen’s plans, a stately residence, but one the erection of
which will cost less by many thousands than the reinstatement of the original
would have cost. By this patriotic action the applicant has relieved the State
from a very large sum of money.
In return for this relief given to the State the applicant
is entitled to be met as he has been met, with every consideration by the
representatives of the State. The evidence which has been submitted to me
shows at once the care and the fairness with which the experts on behalf of the
State have examined the claim, and shows too the moderation with which the
claim itself has been prepared.
In these circumstances I hold that it is the duty of the
State and of the tribunal to which the State entrusts the decision of the
claim, to accord to the applicant the following rights:-He must be allowed to
choose his own architect, surveyors and contractors; he must be allowed to
exercise, at the expense of the State, the same discretion in respect of
accepting or rejecting their suggestions as to prices and otherwise, which he,
acting as a reasonable and prudent man, might be expected to have exercised in
that respect, if he was dealing with his own private moneys; he must not be required
to accept the lowest tenders or to run any serious risk by adopting, as of
necessity, the cheaper of two competing methods of working-this last
observation has special reference to the “bottening” which was so fully
observed on during the hearing of the claim.
Applying these principles to the figures put before me and
bearing in mind that the figures of Mr. Hayes’ original and revised assessments
are not the figures of a tender at all, that Mr. Hayes in fact holds, in a
sense, the position of Advocatus Diaboli in regard to all contractors, both
applicant and respondent, I have come to the conclusion that there are two
respects and two respects only in which I should reduce the amount of the claim
made for “total building costs” which stands in Mr. Cleary’s revised figures at
the sum of £33,928. The first reduction will be by a sum of £600 which is
50 per cent in excess of Mr. Cleary’s reduction from his firm’s original figure
of £35,128, and is intended to meet as fairly as I can meet by anticipation,
the continued drop in the price of materials, which I gather to be still
proceeding; the second reduction of which I have spoken will not be a formal
lessening of the figures at all; it will take the form of a note or addendum to
the decree which will make it clear that there are, as there always are, items
and groups of items expressed in “provisional” figures, and that, while these
provisional figures are included in the decree, the balance or balances not
required shall fall back into the coffers of the State; it is of course
impossible to forecast the amount of such “provisional” savings; they will in
all probability be of considerable amount.
This £600 reduction in the “total building cost”
necessitates some minor changes in the dependent percentage figures which will
now stand at the sum of £2,803. The total on this head of claim worked
out at £36,331 to which must be added the agreed sum of £15,500 for the
contents of the building, making a combined total of £51,831 which will be the
figure of the compensation decree. To the sum of £36,131 I add the
“partial reinstatement condition” which Mr. Phelps asked for and which is
clearly the proper condition, having regard to the substitution of a building
of a different nature from, though of the same character as, the former
building. The remaining sum of £200 is in the nature of a repayment to the
applicant and is not affected by the condition.
I have fully considered the suggestion of the State expert
that a sum of about £600 to £800 should be deducted from the decree by reason
of the fact that the new building will tend to effect a saving in upkeep on
account of its newness and of its being of a more manageable nature than the
former building. I am satisfied that the provisions of section 10
(6) (a) of the Damage to Property (Compensation) Act, 1923, make any such
deduction impossible; that sub-section directs that the compensation in the
present case shall be “not less than the probable cost of the erection of the
substituted building;” the object of the proceedings has been to ascertain the
amount of that probable cost; the same sub-section excludes any deduction for
increased value or appreciation such as would apply if the case fell under
The decree is made of course with costs and expenses. I
allow the sum of £147 claimed for expenses and I certify for 24 guineas
Counsels’ fees and for an additional special allowance of £20 for the
The note to appear on the face of the decree will be as
follows:-“This decree is to stand reduced by such portions (if any) of the
contract charges, for “provisional” items or group items, as are found by the
applicant’s architect, in the exercise of his discretion as such, not to be
necessary for the completion of the work.”
To meet the requirements of Section 10 (1) the building now
to be erected will be described in the decree as “of the same residential
character as the injured building but of a less costly nature.”
[compiled and edited by Mario Corrigan; typed and edited by Breid on behalf of Cill Dara Historical Society – Kildare Town]
After nearly two years not won, we had a winner on April 1st, 2019
If you were to get a call on April 1st to say you
won the Weekly Lotto, what would you think? April Fools?
Well, I’m sure that was going through Jim Fuery’s mind when he received a call on April Fool’s day @ 10pm. Jim had all four numbers that were drawn that night. 10, 12, 24, 25. and even luckier to be the only one, so not having to share the win.
It was a pleasure to meet Jim in the Club on Monday last where
he received his winning Cheque by our Club Chairman, Gary Ryan.
All the best Jim and thank you for supporting our Weekly Club
Where does our Weekly Club Lotto stand at present?
Every week that our Lotto is not won, our Jackpot increases. But because our Lotto is capped at €10,000, our reserve Jackpot builds at the same time, and we are delighted to say we are starting again at a whopping €6,800
This week’s Club Lotto Jackpot is €6,800
We would like to thank everyone who supports this fundraiser,
that helps our club keep going.
Good Luck Everyone
Image from left to right: Gary Ryan; Club Chairman, Christina Gobbet; Online Lotto Sales, Pat Reid; Club President, Jim Fuery; Jackpot winner
Kill U12 camogie team played Naas on Friday last in Kill GAA
This was a very competitive match and while our girls put in a very strong performance on the day they were unfortunately beaten by a strong Naas side.
Our girls are training well and the effort they are putting
in is really showing through in their performance, and that wouldn’t be
possible without the help and guidance of the coaches who are nurturing this
Their next match will be after Easter. Check our Facebook page for details. Looking forward to your next match girls.